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I've been watching and have noticed a lack of Chaos players of late.
Not that we don't have them, but I sure don't see alot of you running them lately. Mike and Travis being the two biggest to show up, and thats usually with
their Celestial Lion forces. (Which is way cool) Cool

I am looking for Commanders that act much like the Imperials. They have army wide buffs, and are generally no joke in HtH as well. I like the daemon weapons, but thats all they have to match up with the Imperials of late that I've noticed. Yes, you can buy Marks, which are helpful, but they just don't seem to stack up to me.

Terminators should be fearless if they have any of the marks, for Chaos Undivided the reroll is sufficient.

Possessed should have purchasable powers, not random ones.

Dreads should stop being a threat to your own people, and have armor to match the Imperials, plus daemonic abilities, or upgrades?

Chosen should be able to have jump packs, and be able to be upgraded to aspiring champions, with their weapons mixes being much the same as it currently is listed in the current codex.

I would like some form of new fast attack, and some form of new heavy support as well. Vehicular wise. Orgive the ability to have like 1-3 dreads in a choice, or 1-3 Predators.

Anyone else want to step in and make some suggestions that would be nice to see?
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ThirdUltra · Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:34 pm Post subject:

I wouldn't mind seeing a return of Legion-specific armies/codexes again.

Then maybe a whole book dedicated to Chaos Undivided for armies such as Black Legion, Word Bearers, Iron Warriors, Night Lords, and Alpha Legion.

I think some of the armies would need their own specific units, but nothing to where they become the lbe-all-end-all choice to where other choices are neglected.....I guess this is the trick to doing it, but I think if balanced out correctly, could be done.

The dedicated armies such for Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh and Tzeentch would have their own book with rules for doing dedicated traitor marines that are not one of the popular Legions such as Emperor's Children and World Eaters, etc.

Unit-wise, yeah.....would like to see the Possessed more useful, along with Raptors and maybe even Havocs. The whole codex could use some work.....and that's comparing it to the now popular super-dexes of Wolves, BA and to a degree IG.

I guess the pendelum has swung really far away in the Imperial direction...lol!

Bikeninja · Jedi Master Joined: 25 Oct 2008 Posts: 900

I would like to see some corruption rules. You could take something from an existing codex that they don't normally have, like ThunderWolf Calvary. They could buy that unit but it would be more expensive and maybe lose something that it would normally have. To me that would be cool. Here are your Black Legion Marines utilizing a unit of corrupted Ultramarine Sterguard. There of course would have to be limits but to me that would open the door for some really cool themed armies.
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Fizzics · Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:43 pm Post subject:

Doesn't John play Chaos?

I mean, when John plays.

And isn't Pat, Pappa Nurgle?

Again, when Pat plays.

Captain Howdy · Padawan Joined: 12 Nov 2009 Posts: 110

I really don't care for the generic warband setup of the current codex. I also don't know why they ditched the Lost and the Damned army concept-- to me it's much better than having demons as a stand alone army. It seemed pretty popular as well.

I'd LIKE to see a true LatD codex encompassing renegade marines (a la the current book), traitor guard, and weak summoned/allied demons. I'd also want a Traitor Legions codex that covers the actual Heresy legions and allied marked demons (with enough stuff to allow you to play an all demon army if you wanted), and eliminate the demon codex entirely. I'd think a selection of special characters with army-wide abilities like the SM codex would let you represent the various legions pretty well.

The current codex isn't 'bad', it's just not particularly good when compared to the recent releases. If the point costs were a bit lower it would be fine I think. As far as wishlisting goes, I'd wish for:
- Midgrade champion ICs as either extra slots like SWs or Elites like BAs
- Marked cavalry units on the god-specific mounts; I mean come on, units of juggernauts in demon armies but not with the Worldeaters? This would make sense for chosen or an otherwise "special" unit.
- More demon engines/weird vehicles. A possessed tank would be cool, as would some kind of open topped transport.
- DROP PODS. Dammit. They specifically did not include them in the current codex, and I can't figure out why since they are right there in the fluff.
- ICs and terminators that have the same rules as the dedicated troops choices (berzerkers, etc)
- Less randomness. I know it's chaosy but the dreadnought crazy roll is obnoxious and the random possessed abilities makes them not worth the points.
- A heresy era plastic upgrade sprue. It's money in the bank for GW if they would just do it.
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Mortis · Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:07 am Post subject:

Personally I think there is way too much of Chaos to be crammed into one book. It's like trying to cram Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Dark Angels, Black Templars, etc, all into one book but at the same time trying to make them all different with several special characters, different and varied wargear, vehicles, etc, and troop types and army wide rules that are different from each other.

So what I would like to see is an Undivided Chaos book and then books dedicated to the 4 Ruinous Powers. Seperating the Cult lists from the Undivided, you would have an entire book that can focus on making the Undivided lists (Vanilla Undivided, Wordbearers, Iron Warriors, Night Lords, etc) just as competitive as the Cult lists. Cult troops (Berserkers, Noise Marines, Plague Marines, and Thousand Sons) could be included, but only as an Elites choice and no rules where if your general has the mark of a particular god then Elite Cult troops could be taken as Troop choices. That keeps the Undivided book focused on Undivided forces, with a little cult thrown in just for flavor.

Make certain God specific demons available again, maybe just the Troops choices from the Demons Codex, but make them as Elite choices as well to keep the focus on Undivided.

Generic undivided demons could be taken as Troops like they are now, but give them some options. Same with generic Greater Demons. Leave god specific Greater Demons in the Chaos Demons book and their particular cult book. Furies could come back to the undivided book as a fast attack choice, but like how the current generic demons don't take up a slot.

Expand the Undivided special characters. Surely in over 10000+ years there has to be more infamous individuals than just Abby, Huron and Fabius Bile! Let's see some Iron Warriors, Night Lords, Wordbearers, etc, special characters!

The Cult books could really benefit with their own books, ruleswise as well as model wise. Some new demonic engines could be introduced into the books, as well as introducing more special characters. Like with the Undivided special characters, there has to be more infamous individuals among the cult legions than the handful we have presently. Chosen units could have special benefits that regular Chosen don't have, other than just having the mark of their god. For example, in the old Index Astartes World Eaters article, the Chosen of Khorne had the feel no pain ability. I believe the Chosen of Tzeentch were all sorcerors. Introducing things like that would make each army distinct and special, with their own strengths and weakeness. Make it so that Cult armies have access to things that Undivided don't, and vice versa.
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loken · Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 1:34 pm Post subject:

i agree with just about everything said above. I think the codex needs to be split between undivided and cult. BRING BACK THE CULT RULES!!!! I WANT FEARLESS TERMIES.. So much could be done i think the captain said it best DROP PODS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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SlaveToDorkness · Jedi Master Joined: 04 Aug 2007 Posts: 1811

Fuck Drop Pods...I want Dreadclaws!

They can redeploy and troops may assault after disembarking!
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geekymike · Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 2:46 pm Post subject:

id like to see perhaps a stripped down landraider maybe with the lascannons removed for extra transport capacity
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Fishboy · Jedi Master Joined: 21 Nov 2007 Posts: 856

An army that dies easily and quickly to Eldar and Dark Eldar....
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BossBootFang · Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:12 pm Post subject:

I'd like to see a nice traitors section... bloodpact!
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MephistonsRage · Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 10:16 am Post subject:

Is anyone opposed to House rules for the Codex, with things to correct the current failures? Possible Legion rules? Fearless Termies?
We can make this a group think... For our house only of course.
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Mortis · Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 10:32 am Post subject:

I think that would be cool. We can flesh it out in the BnB Approved forum.
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MephistonsRage · Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 2:54 pm Post subject:

its probably best flessed out here. People don't always look there for anything, though I suppose we could try.
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ThirdUltra · Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 3:32 pm Post subject:

Ya' know....you could just make it 'house rules' for specific campaigns/scenarios or Apoc battles.....so it would be more scenario-specific.

That way it would kind of fit the needs of the battle being played.

I'm a big fan of LatD and cultist armies, so yeah.....just throw down some rules for a specific battle or whatever and I think we'll be fine...